In the world of health and medicine, it is essential to sift through the barrage of information to identify truths from misconceptions. A recent discussion featuring Tucker Carlson and Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong has stirred considerable attention as they delve into controversial claims regarding cancer, its causes, and potential remedies. Dr. Soon-Shiong, a renowned surgeon and millionaire inventor of cancer drugs, suggests that the COVID-19 pandemic and the vaccines developed to combat it could be contributing factors to cancer’s progression in society. Such assertions raise significant health concerns and demand thorough scrutiny. In this blog post, we will fact-check Dr. Soon-Shiong’s claims, analyzing the science behind cancer causation, the impact of viral infections, and the role of vaccines in this complex landscape of health. Join us as we navigate these critical discussions, providing clarity and evidence-based insights on a topic that affects millions worldwide.
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[00:00:00,000]: Doctor thanks a lot for coming on [00:00:02,599]: So you spent your life you know 50 years working on treatments for cancer [00:00:10,979]: And when you started it seemed like we were moving in the West toward the elimination of cancer [00:00:18,540]: Smoking was a huge emphasis get rid of tobacco and cancer rates will drop [00:00:23,959]: Obviously smoking does cause cancer and we got rid of it basically but cancer rates went up [00:00:31,100]: And that is a very rarely remarked upon mystery that really bothers me [00:00:36,299]: Tell us since you you know you made billions of dollars selling your companies but you’re still involved in medical research which I admire [00:00:42,040]: Where are we now with cancer [00:00:43,619]: What are you seeing in cancer rates [00:01:06,379]: Well what’s really worrisome to me now is not just the rate but the population in which it’s increasing i e the younger people [00:01:15,760]: So we’re clearly seeing an increase in certain types of cancer like pancreatic cancer ovarian cancer and we’re seeing that colon cancer and we’re seeing it in younger people [00:01:29,400]: Just to set a baseline what’s the 10 year survival rate for pancreatic cancer [00:01:33,720]: It’s horrible [00:01:34,519]: I think you know if you have pancreatic cancer today I don’t think there is a 10 year survival rate so to speak [00:01:40,480]: What there is however if you have patients who are what we call the fail all standard care the survival rate is in months [00:01:47,839]: You measure it in two months [00:01:49,639]: That’s certainly my understanding having watched a lot of people die of it [00:01:55,500]: So advanced pancreatic cancer is a death sentence [00:01:58,480]: Where are you seeing it now [00:02:01,260]: Well I got to tell you a really concerning story [00:02:05,120]: It’s not only I’m seeing it now I’m seeing it in younger people and for the first time in my career you know when I left UCLA I was doing all the whipples which is a surgery to actually remove most of the pancreas a very big operation [00:02:19,960]: You’re a surgeon as well [00:02:20,860]: I’m a surgeon [00:02:21,500]: Yes [00:02:22,100]: And I was also doing pancreas transplants for type 2 diabetes and islet cell transplants and stem cell transplants [00:02:28,389]: So I had this diverse activity as a UCLA assistant professor [00:02:34,149]: But I never saw pancreatic cancer in children [00:02:38,300]: And the greatest surprise to me was a 13 year old with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the family called us to help [00:02:51,520]: And to me that was not only devastating it emphasized the idea that we’re seeing people with higher incidence of pancreatic cancer and younger [00:03:01,649]: Right now in our clinic we have a 45 year old 50 year old [00:03:08,399]: And what was sad about this young boy by the time he came to see us he had exhausted all the standard of care [00:03:16,919]: And he came from Butler Pennsylvania and all the major medical centers really had exhausted all their therapy [00:03:25,820]: And by the time he came to see us his body was ridden and he passed away [00:03:33,619]: So seeing cancers now in younger people and almost a rise almost like I don’t want to call it a non infectious pandemic but this is what I think is going to be the worrisome in the world not just in the United States but largely in the United States we’re beginning to see this [00:03:51,919]: And it’s really worrisome [00:03:53,000]: A non infectious pandemic of cancer including deadly cancers [00:03:58,479]: Correct [00:03:59,300]: Like pancreatic [00:04:00,880]: In your career which I think is about 50 years of working on this how many 13 year old pancreatic cancer patients have you seen [00:04:08,820]: Never [00:04:11,240]: I inquired around because it bothered me so much now why this is happening [00:04:19,839]: So Dr Stephen Day was a good friend who was trained with me at UCLA when I was at UCLA [00:04:27,299]: He’s now at the Angeles Clinic and I called him and he said listen Patrick I’m now seeing an 8 year old a 10 year old an 11 year old with colon cancer [00:04:35,640]: We’ve never seen that [00:04:40,519]: We’re seeing now 30 year old 40 year old ladies young ladies with ovarian cancer [00:04:45,839]: So this is a real phenomenon of a rise of cancer in early people in young people and really need to get to the bottom of that [00:04:57,540]: Do you notice a difference in the virility of the cancer of the speed with which it Well I’m getting reports they’ve even called it tuber charged cancer [00:05:08,940]: Yes I’ve heard that phrase [00:05:09,839]: Right [00:05:10,220]: I’m getting reports of that now that people that have been in remission before even are now getting back the cancers and very rapidly progressing [00:05:21,040]: So if you really think about what the cause of cancer is you know and I did a piece with Sanjay Gupta many many years ago on 60 Minutes and I said you know the cause of cancer is its inability it’s not the rapidity of its growth but its inability to die [00:05:38,760]: And its inability to die is because it either hides from the cells that are matter i e your natural killer cells your T cells or and this is what I’m really worried about your body and the cancer has found a way to suppress your killer cells [00:06:00,079]: And once they do that once they activate what are called the suppressor cells and you call yourself immunosuppressed and then I think you see this rapid progression because there’s nothing stopping them [00:06:16,640]: What could possibly be causing this [00:06:21,260]: Well I think if you look back of causes you know ironically when I was doing at UCLA I was working on pancreas transplant where I want to immunosuppress the patients [00:06:32,779]: Yes you have to [00:06:33,679]: Yeah [00:06:34,100]: Because you prevent it [00:06:35,480]: And then I was working on cancer where I don’t want to immunosuppress [00:06:40,160]: So I needed to understand the body’s mechanism and we have a crazy wonderful exquisite balance in our body [00:06:50,299]: You have the yin and the yang of the killer cells and these things called natural killer cells and T cells [00:06:58,640]: Whose job is to kill anything that threatens the body [00:07:01,640]: Whose job is to kill quite right anything that threatens the body whether the body has infection if you have TB you have HIV if you have hepatitis you have COVID these cells are there to recognize these infected cells and kill it [00:07:21,019]: As you and I are sitting here today our stem cells are growing in order to replenish parts of your body your heart [00:07:28,760]: If you didn’t have that you wouldn’t have a heart [00:07:30,940]: At the age of 14 you need the stem cells [00:07:33,799]: But mathematically there are some cells that are transformed and your body recognizes that through these natural killer cells and kills it [00:07:41,660]: I call that nature’s first responder [00:07:45,640]: And that’s your mechanism [00:07:47,619]: That’s how we are all protected and we are in the state of equilibrium or balance [00:07:52,779]: On the other hand the moment either the tumor finds a way to hide from these cells or your body’s or the tumor causes these cells to be suppressed and that’s why I call this the suppressor cells and there are certain cells in your body called Treg cells or myeloderived suppressor cells these are all technical that when they get upregulated you’ve lost your protection [00:08:22,920]: And so the question then is how do we understand this balance [00:08:26,859]: How do we increase the killers and how do we decrease the suppressors [00:08:30,679]: So that’s been 50 years of my challenge of and how do we expose the tumor [00:08:37,359]: So on the one hand you need to expose the tumor because it hides from the killers and then you activate the killers and the other hand you have to suppress the suppressors [00:08:46,419]: So we’re truly playing a game of chess [00:08:50,780]: And I think like an astrophysicist where you’re looking for God’s particle where all these molecules are floating around talking to each other all the cells are floating around talking to each other and there’s dynamic interaction [00:09:05,700]: And how do you understand all of that [00:09:08,080]: You know one of the best most fun lectures I gave I gave a lot of lectures on this and I try to be non technical because it’s basic what I call basic immunology [00:09:22,070]: And the problem with cancer is it’s been treated by oncologists and not immunologists [00:09:29,820]: And immunologists don’t see patients because they look at basic immunology [00:09:33,659]: And then when you have infection and you have virology so this cross disciplines of virology immunology oncology all these ologies don’t talk to each other [00:09:45,299]: So you’re saying just big picture for non specialists of which I’m of course one you’re saying that cancer is to some extent a problem with your immune system [00:09:54,880]: It is everything about your immune system [00:09:56,700]: So you’ve got all kinds of defective cells that could become cancer or cancer in your body at all times [00:10:01,179]: At all times [00:10:02,200]: But your body is zapping them [00:10:03,760]: Correct [00:10:04,599]: And that’s the fundamental balance of the human body [00:10:07,559]: Correct [00:10:07,880]: And when that body gets out of balance when the killer cells become suppressed or less effective that’s when you get cancer [00:10:17,599]: Okay [00:10:17,900]: I’m sorry to interrupt [00:10:19,159]: No I love it because that’s the perfect interpretation that I couldn’t do in a non technical way because I think I get too nerdy [00:10:33,739]: So I’m glad [00:10:34,780]: Well you are a doctor [00:10:38,539]: So but that’s I think is what’s happening in our body [00:10:43,679]: We have these perturbations but we’re in equilibrium you know and that’s a good thing [00:10:49,039]: The moment you knock yourself out of equilibrium now what could knock you out of equilibrium [00:10:54,520]: And that’s why when you know Bobby Kennedy is talking about and standing up about the toxins in our food the toxins in PFAS the processed food and viral infections and really what knocks you out of balance basically is inflammation [00:11:15,429]: If you have inflammation in your body there’s this now I’m going to get nerdy again these called neutrophils that actually see an infection and tries to kill it which it does [00:11:28,789]: But if there’s persistent inflammation these neutrophils actually flip into a suppressor cell [00:11:35,010]: So what people don’t realize is that we have the yin yang in our body that every cell has a counter cell [00:11:44,450]: And that’s where I was about to go there I said the most fun conversation I had where I was asked by an astrophysicist or physicist to give a lecture is I named this concept of cancer a quantum theory like a physicist [00:12:04,109]: And that in our body we have cells that can be in two states [00:12:09,830]: It can be a killer or a suppressor [00:12:13,450]: And like the Schrodinger’s cat it could be alive or dead [00:12:17,400]: And it depends what you do with it [00:12:20,150]: And so I named the thing quantum oncotherapeutics just to be controversial so that doctors could understand what I’m talking about is that we need to understand the fact that you have a killer T cell and you have a killer suppressor cell [00:12:37,690]: We have an M1 macrophage that actually chomps things up and M2 macrophages that blocks that [00:12:43,570]: You have an NK cell that kills and NK cells that inhibits [00:12:48,390]: And we need to have that balance otherwise you’ll get into autoimmune disease [00:12:53,650]: But there’s a thing called quantum entanglement that is this cat alive or is this cat dead [00:12:59,409]: If somebody interacts with that and the person that interacts with that is the doctor [00:13:06,349]: So you as a doctor could either be enlightened enough to activate just the activators and suppress the suppressors and change the dynamic towards the cure [00:13:21,210]: But it’s very complex because it’s now quantum because all those changes are happening in minutes in your body [00:13:29,309]: These molecules like God’s particle where they’re colliding with each other and cells are colliding and interacting happens within minutes [00:13:39,109]: So you need to have a theory of how you interact at that level [00:13:45,849]: And in so doing the first thing you need to understand is how does cancer happen [00:13:50,570]: And then how does it grow [00:13:54,049]: How do you stop it [00:13:56,869]: This idea of a vaccine a cancer vaccine do you radiate that cancer [00:14:03,909]: Do you remove that cancer [00:14:05,150]: Do you remove the lymph nodes [00:14:06,549]: Do you give chemotherapy [00:14:09,070]: And crazily enough over the last 50 years I figured out that everything we’re doing is not the word wrong because that’s a bad statement a pejorative statement [00:14:21,349]: It’s not enlightened a better way to say it because everything we’re doing is tipping the scales towards the suppressor cells [00:14:28,409]: We’re activating the suppressor cells [00:14:30,830]: We’re not activating the killing cells [00:14:33,150]: And we can go into this conversation where I can explain that [00:14:36,510]: So the key system which you just said is cancer is all about the immune system [00:14:42,190]: So if you activate the immunosuppression system you get more cancer [00:14:47,070]: So then the fundamental root cause is what’s activating that immune system on the other way [00:14:53,330]: Yes [00:14:53,469]: And that’s inflammation [00:14:54,729]: Something is suppressing people’s immune systems including the poor 13 year old boy who died of pancreatic cancer [00:15:00,789]: And the question is what is that [00:15:02,489]: And maybe there are a lot of causes but we’re not the first people to notice there’s been an increase in scary cancers in populations that didn’t used to get them [00:15:10,830]: It’s very obvious just from living here [00:15:13,880]: And a lot of people have pointed to both COVID the virus and to the mRNA COVID vaccines as potential causes [00:15:21,630]: Do you think that they’re related [00:15:24,270]: The best way for me to answer that is to look at history [00:15:28,880]: What we know about virally induced cancers is well established [00:15:32,950]: We know that if you get hepatitis you get liver cancer [00:15:37,530]: Hepatitis is a virus infection [00:15:39,090]: We know if you get a human papillomavirus HPV you get cervical cancer [00:15:46,750]: Certain kinds of throat cancer are caused by viruses as well right [00:15:50,729]: Correct [00:15:51,450]: If you get HIV you get Kaposi’s sarcoma [00:15:55,090]: So we call that oncogenic viruses in medical terms meaning viruses that are induced carcinogenic [00:16:02,289]: And the fundamental basis for that are threefold [00:16:06,340]: The hallmarks of an oncogenic virus is one it must persist [00:16:10,309]: And why [00:16:11,190]: Because it continues to create inflammation [00:16:13,750]: And why [00:16:14,530]: With inflammation you get suppression because your body is trying to suppress it [00:16:20,080]: It must inhibit the thing called p53 that’s in your body to try and protect your body from not having cancer [00:16:28,099]: And if it persists and causes inflammation and inhibits p53 it begins to have the hallmarks of an oncogenic virus [00:16:38,750]: So then the question is does COVID whether it come from the vaccine which is the spike protein vaccine or from the infection which is spike driven that gets into every cell of our body because it goes through the [00:16:53,049]: Every cell of the body [00:16:53,770]: It goes wherever you have the thing called the ACE2 receptor which is in the blood vessels [00:16:58,330]: So wherever you have a blood vessel in your body it’s where it’s going to go [00:17:02,690]: And if it has an ACE2 receptor on that blood vessel that’s where it can go because that’s the purpose of the spike protein to penetrate to hijack that ACE2 receptor and get into their cells [00:17:12,969]: So that’s why it gets in the pancreas [00:17:14,589]: That’s why you have brain fog because it disrupts the blood vessels of the brain and cause mitochondrial dysfunction [00:17:20,630]: That’s why in the colon which has a high [00:17:22,969]: In the GI tract there’s a high ACE2 receptor [00:17:25,750]: That’s why pancreas has a high ACE2 receptor where that’s why you people have in the heart you have dysfunction [00:17:33,810]: You’ve seen young people have sudden heart attacks all of a sudden [00:17:38,189]: You see young people with pancreatic cancer all of a sudden [00:17:40,630]: You see young people with colon cancer all of a sudden [00:17:44,109]: So is it by coincidence that post COVID infection post COVID vaccine we’re seeing all these events where we know the spike protein goes there [00:17:56,709]: I don’t think so [00:17:58,449]: I think it’s not a coincidence [00:17:59,949]: So the question is can we prove is this what I call long COVID virus persisting [00:18:08,689]: And the group at University of California San Francisco has now definitively proven that and published that in papers like Nature [00:18:17,150]: Can we also prove that once you have that persistence of that virus does that COVID virus suppress the natural killer cell [00:18:24,069]: Does the natural killer cell actually not only go to sleep becomes what we call aneurgic [00:18:30,569]: That’s now been published [00:18:33,250]: The natural killer cell has gone to sleep [00:18:37,050]: So by your definition we just solved the mystery right there [00:18:43,069]: I think so [00:18:44,550]: I think this is a conversation I had with the [00:18:47,329]: Wait I mean billions of people literally billions of people had the COVID virus [00:18:53,670]: Over a billion got the spike protein vaccine [00:18:58,209]: So that’s like we’re talking like a huge percentage of the earth’s population unless I’m missing something [00:19:05,609]: No you understand what keeps you awake at night [00:19:08,810]: And it’s kept me awake at night for two years two and a half years [00:19:13,250]: And that’s why I sort of abandoned everything just to focus on how do we clear the virus [00:19:18,790]: Because the answer is to clear the virus [00:19:21,290]: From the body [00:19:22,050]: From the body [00:19:23,050]: The answer is to stop the inflammation because it’s chronic inflammation [00:19:28,130]: Privacy should be a right for all citizens in this country [00:19:30,329]: It’s a prerequisite to freedom [00:19:31,890]: No privacy no freedom [00:19:33,189]: Unfortunately in America privacy is a luxury [00:19:36,089]: So who gets the luxury of privacy [00:19:37,829]: You don’t [00:19:38,630]: We don’t [00:19:40,109]: Privacy is given to government agencies [00:19:41,829]: They’ve got millions of classified documents actually over a billion in this country [00:19:46,329]: The average American citizen meanwhile is being watched every time he or she goes online [00:19:51,410]: Data brokers are tracking and recording everything you do and they’re selling what they learn about you and your private life to advertisers even to the government to the NSA [00:20:00,530]: What do you do about it [00:20:01,530]: Well we use a product called ExpressVPN [00:20:04,829]: ExpressVPN is an app that sends 100 of your online traffic through secure encrypted servers [00:20:10,209]: And that means that everything you do online your personal data your personal information is shielded from the creeps who want to sell it to other businesses or the government [00:20:20,670]: ExpressVPN also hides your IP address and that means the brokers cannot exploit you [00:20:26,729]: They can’t sell you as a product to the highest bidder [00:20:30,550]: ExpressVPN works on up to eight devices at once [00:20:32,790]: It’s fast [00:20:33,329]: It’s easy to use [00:20:33,989]: It’s number one rated by industry professionals [00:20:36,650]: So until we get privacy you’re going to have to make your own privacy [00:20:41,469]: And we do it with ExpressVPN [00:20:43,069]: Right now you can get an extra four months of ExpressVPN for free [00:20:48,069]: Scan the QR code on the screen or go to expressvpn com [00:20:51,229]: slash Tucker and get four extra months for free [00:20:54,410]: That’s expressvpn com [00:20:56,030]: slash Tucker [00:20:57,270]: So can I ask a dumb question [00:20:58,890]: How long does the virus remain in the human body [00:21:01,989]: So far we found three years four years [00:21:04,670]: Is there any reason to believe it will naturally go away [00:21:08,630]: Not if your body’s immune is suppressed [00:21:11,910]: So it’s a circle [00:21:14,949]: You ask what causes cancer because your body’s immune is suppressed [00:21:19,609]: You have in your body nature’s compound [00:21:24,270]: And if the tumor or the infection or the inflammation suppresses it you have to find a way to reactivate it and clear the virus [00:21:34,349]: It’s literally as simple as that [00:21:38,069]: And that’s the missing link that I think [00:21:40,589]: So it sounds like you’re describing what could be like the worst human health crisis in history [00:21:47,130]: I don’t know how to say that without saying it [00:21:51,849]: It scares the pants off me because I think what we may be [00:21:57,469]: I don’t think it’s virus versus man now you know this is existential [00:22:03,790]: I think when I talk about the largest non infectious pandemic that we’re afraid of this is it [00:22:14,250]: Because while there was an increased rise in cancer in our country because of the idea of the toxins and everything else this immunosuppression that has occurred now globally and more importantly the immunosuppression tied to inflammation chronic inflammation which is asymptomatic and sometimes it’s not [00:22:35,949]: There’s 15 million Americans with long COVID [00:22:39,550]: And they’re not psychiatric when they have memory loss [00:22:44,430]: They’re not psychiatric when they have instantaneous heart attacks [00:22:48,449]: It’s not psychiatric when you have an 8 year old 10 year old colon cancer a 13 year old pancreatic cancer [00:22:57,589]: So the idea was is there a solution [00:23:03,729]: And this is what [00:23:04,670]: Well I certainly hope so [00:23:05,949]: Because you spent your life around scary diseases [00:23:08,930]: Like that’s been your life [00:23:11,290]: And if you’re scared then that’s not a good sign [00:23:17,189]: I’m scared but hopeful [00:23:18,829]: I think it’s important for me to have this conversation with you not just [00:23:22,890]: That’s why [00:23:24,310]: Okay I’ll share with you a conversation I had [00:23:26,489]: I got invited by the CEO of the Henry Jackson Foundation to come to D C I think October November last year during the election phase and just to have a conversation about what I’m doing [00:23:40,930]: And there he brought the leader from Walter Reed the BARDA the DOD the NIH the NIAID all into that room [00:23:53,030]: It was just me [00:23:55,390]: And I said it is time [00:23:57,550]: It is time for me to reveal to this learned group of leaders about what I’m scared about [00:24:04,569]: And I spent I think it was three hours no slides just me speaking alone on the stage and all of them in the audience [00:24:13,109]: When I first started the conversation the first sentence was I think COVID is oncogenic [00:24:20,290]: One of the members of the audience said that’s nonsense [00:24:22,910]: I said okay let me explain to you what we’ve been doing in our research [00:24:27,729]: At the end of three hours four hours he said you’ve got to publish this [00:24:31,229]: This is so important [00:24:33,489]: And I said yes we are processing the publication [00:24:37,689]: And what came out was this paper that they biopsied the colon of young people temporarily when no COVID to COVID and showed the persistence of replicating viruses in the colon tissue two years out [00:24:53,189]: Replicating COVID viruses [00:24:54,890]: Replicating COVID viruses [00:24:58,209]: Replicating [00:25:02,290]: Asymptomatic replicating in the tissue meaning there’s inflammation [00:25:08,670]: And when you have this inflammation these neutrophils now getting geeky again plasticize flip from a protective neutrophil to a suppressive neutrophil [00:25:19,489]: It’s called an N2 [00:25:21,410]: It’s called a myeloderived suppressor cell [00:25:23,849]: That’s the official name [00:25:26,890]: So now you have suppression in your body [00:25:31,270]: And it’s no wonder that then converts into colon cancer [00:25:35,689]: Wait so is this true do you think for I mean have you had COVID [00:25:39,770]: No [00:25:41,189]: Lucky man [00:25:42,390]: Not lucky man [00:25:44,089]: T cell man [00:25:46,010]: I have a T cell in my body that protects me from the nucleic capsid [00:25:52,790]: Where do I get one [00:25:56,229]: That trial was held up by the FDA and by Collins and Fauci [00:26:00,689]: You never got COVID because your protector cells were so strong [00:26:06,069]: Not only a protector cells if I do get COVID the virus clears [00:26:10,609]: You want to clear the virus [00:26:12,790]: Get the hell out of my body [00:26:14,449]: Get it out [00:26:16,489]: Wait I just want to pause here [00:26:17,949]: I know you’re in the midst of a much larger story but this is something I think everyone can understand [00:26:21,729]: So I think I’m in good health [00:26:24,270]: I am in very robust [00:26:25,849]: Did you have COVID [00:26:26,410]: I did [00:26:27,449]: How many times [00:26:28,050]: One [00:26:28,790]: I never took the vaccine [00:26:31,089]: Okay [00:26:33,030]: But I got COVID [00:26:35,589]: Knocked me right on my butt [00:26:37,189]: It was a bad three days [00:26:39,170]: Fine [00:26:40,770]: But I don’t understand you’re older than I am [00:26:43,849]: How did you never get [00:26:45,010]: I just want to get very specific [00:26:48,550]: I mean everyone on the planet got COVID [00:26:50,890]: Okay so let me give you some idea [00:26:56,849]: One because we understand the implications [00:27:01,030]: My wife Dutch Wood also never got COVID because both of us [00:27:04,650]: So this is the story [00:27:11,869]: Unfortunately I relate this [00:27:14,390]: It’s a painful thing to me because I related to Kobe’s death [00:27:16,589]: It was during Kobe’s time when he passed away [00:27:19,489]: And at the funeral Kobe Bryant who you were close to [00:27:23,670]: Very close to [00:27:25,449]: And at the funeral at his funeral all the people in the room [00:27:30,503]: And it was I think November and I turned to Gavin Newsom and I said listen this is one virus I’m worried about because I was studying this virus [00:27:40,743]: You know I understand HPV very well and I understand hepatitis [00:27:44,543]: I said this is not a respiratory virus this is a dangerous virus [00:27:49,683]: So I went back and I shut down our organization so that we could actually do nothing else but COVID [00:27:57,323]: My entire team of hundreds of scientists on Zoom and everything else around the world I said we must go after this virus with a vaccine that clears the virus [00:28:10,983]: And the only way to clear the virus is to have what we call a T cell an NK cell the cell that kills cancer cells [00:28:18,803]: And I wrote a paper with Carl Skudona that says COVID is like cancer and cancer is like COVID meaning it’s immunosuppression that causes its spread [00:28:28,583]: And it’s immunosuppression by the COVID virus that allows it to persist [00:28:33,123]: So the only vaccine that’s important is a T cell vaccine [00:28:38,463]: But that’s why I’m telling you virologists think about antibodies versus cellular therapy [00:28:44,483]: It’s foreign to them to have a vaccine that stimulates T cells [00:28:51,303]: So I said I understand that internally [00:28:54,743]: It’s a little weird since in 20 minutes you explained it to me not particularly high IQ not a scientist [00:28:59,783]: I understand exactly what you’re saying [00:29:01,863]: Why isn’t it obvious to virologists why isn’t that like day one lesson in virology school that the T cells the cells that protect you against all potential internal harm they’re the key [00:29:17,783]: Because every vaccine so far is antibody based [00:29:23,803]: Dogma blind spots [00:29:26,983]: Okay now we’re cooking with gas [00:29:29,043]: Now I understand what you’re talking about [00:29:31,243]: Dogma blind spots [00:29:33,043]: Nicely put [00:29:34,023]: Okay I’m sorry [00:29:34,603]: I keep stepping on your story [00:29:35,763]: So you figure out [00:29:37,363]: You’re not stepping because you’re allowing you’re actually interpreting [00:29:41,103]: It’s a pleasure to me because I don’t know what I’m saying [00:29:43,443]: Sometimes whether it’s going to be so geeky it gets lost [00:29:46,083]: It’s important for the audience for you to interpret [00:29:48,763]: This is what Sanjay did for me in the 60 minutes [00:29:50,783]: He was brilliant [00:29:51,723]: He spent two years with me by the way doing a little 15 minute piece [00:29:57,383]: Yeah [00:29:57,723]: We’d come to LA [00:29:58,723]: We’d do the shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot [00:30:00,603]: Damn we just had breakfast [00:30:02,383]: That’s it [00:30:03,843]: Okay so you figure out early [00:30:06,823]: Everyone’s panicked about COVID [00:30:08,283]: Okay [00:30:09,103]: But your position is they’re panicked for the wrong reasons [00:30:11,803]: Correct [00:30:12,123]: And actually maybe they’re not quite as panicked as they should be because this virus could pave the way for cancer because it will suppress the immune system of the human body [00:30:21,003]: So you in November you said when did you [00:30:25,123]: So by March 2020 we had the vaccine [00:30:29,843]: March 2020 [00:30:30,803]: Because I had built a full GMP facility for cancer using the same vaccine that NCI had retested for HPV and for colon cancer [00:30:41,303]: A thing called CA [00:30:42,363]: So I’d create this vaccine in which we would educate your body prior to COVID for the treatment of cancer to educate the T cells to recognize a cancer cell to kill it [00:30:56,123]: That’s called a cancer vaccine which by the way is the only vaccine in clinical trials today to prevent cancer that the NCI is running using our technology [00:31:05,203]: Is there any way you can take the word vaccine out and call it something else [00:31:07,403]: I’m calling it BioShield [00:31:08,403]: Good [00:31:09,903]: Because vaccine just scares the crap out of people [00:31:12,063]: I know [00:31:12,843]: Because it’s not a vaccine in that general sense of an antibody based vaccine [00:31:17,983]: It’s your body’s BioShield [00:31:19,963]: So we’ll announce it on the show [00:31:22,003]: We’re going to call this Project BioShield which by the way in 2004 there was a BioShield Act for national preparedness against radiation against a pandemic of infectious diseases [00:31:37,383]: So we have the worst thing that can happen to you is to have one dose of radiation will wipe out your NK cells and your T cells [00:31:48,423]: That’s how you die [00:31:50,063]: That’s how you get cancer [00:31:51,423]: It zaps your immune system [00:31:52,363]: It zaps your immune system [00:31:54,223]: So we wanted to create a BioShield [00:31:57,503]: And the BioShield is to educate your body to have these T cells called memory T cells that go and hide in the bone marrow and come out when they need it and kill that cell so it can never do damage [00:32:10,903]: That’s the concept [00:32:12,883]: And it’s not a foreign concept [00:32:15,463]: We published it with the National Cancer Institute [00:32:18,923]: So by March 2020 I took all my resources [00:32:22,063]: Thank God we had the resources [00:32:24,163]: So that’s the sort of gift [00:32:25,603]: Was this your money [00:32:26,763]: All my money [00:32:28,103]: Okay [00:32:28,323]: So I should just say I alluded to it earlier but you had a couple of companies making cancer drugs [00:32:33,743]: You owned all of them [00:32:34,763]: I mean you own I think 100 of the companies [00:32:36,583]: You sold them for 10 billion or something [00:32:39,523]: But rather than buy a vineyard you continued in your work [00:32:42,483]: Is that fair [00:32:44,083]: Very fair [00:32:44,783]: You know as I said to you over breakfast I had no idea about stocks [00:32:50,023]: So when the two companies were bought and they were bought for the right reasons [00:32:53,783]: So one company was American Pharmaceutical Partners and we were making literally close to a million vials a day in the United States [00:33:02,383]: Manufacturing of 150 different SKUs for every part of the hospital [00:33:06,523]: And we’re safe for heparin [00:33:07,623]: So Fresenius said we want to buy you [00:33:09,223]: And we said great [00:33:10,143]: And then I developed this molecule that was feeding the tumor that could actually activate the immune system to activate the macrophages called Abraxane [00:33:19,863]: And Celgene said we want to buy you [00:33:21,283]: I said great [00:33:22,143]: And the purpose for my selling them was not for the money [00:33:26,563]: Clearly it was for the money [00:33:27,603]: But the purpose of the use of the money to pursue this dream of this astrophysics to find God’s particle in your human body to activate your immune system [00:33:37,263]: That was the purpose of this money [00:33:38,963]: And that’s what I’ve done with the money [00:33:41,783]: I spent about 3 billion of this money [00:33:44,243]: I’ve not gotten one penny from the government [00:33:48,823]: Not even one dime [00:33:50,983]: You’re the only one [00:33:52,643]: Yeah [00:33:53,403]: And maybe that’s the freedom and the liberation allow me to say what I can say now [00:33:57,663]: That’s right [00:33:59,463]: So again I keep pulling this away because there’s a lot here that’s interesting [00:34:04,283]: But how did you not get COVID [00:34:06,803]: Okay [00:34:09,543]: So I recognized that [00:34:12,663]: So Peter Marks and I had these conversations [00:34:15,583]: So he was head of CBER [00:34:18,783]: And I was in pinging him with the science because this is a biologic [00:34:25,463]: And I was saying to Peter listen Peter I need to show you that we need to create a T cell vaccine [00:34:32,223]: And he said well we don’t do T cell vaccines [00:34:34,483]: Everybody’s doing the other vaccines [00:34:36,843]: But great let’s continue [00:34:38,543]: The antibody vaccines [00:34:39,383]: Antibody vaccines [00:34:41,063]: Then he called me and he said we’re going to create warp speed [00:34:45,603]: And he’s a star trekking and I’m a star trekking [00:34:47,743]: I love warp speed [00:34:48,683]: I said okay we’re going to do this in warp speed [00:34:50,763]: Absolutely [00:34:51,803]: But the only way Peter you’re going to do this in warp speed you need we need as a country to have NIH and BARDA fund a trial where we take macaque monkeys [00:35:06,783]: We give them a vaccine and everybody should throw their vaccine in because I don’t care [00:35:11,003]: It’s not mine or theirs whoever’s vaccine to clear the virus [00:35:15,663]: The only way to do this experiment you give the monkeys the vaccine [00:35:19,443]: It’s under your control [00:35:21,243]: You have a hundred monkeys [00:35:23,343]: Everybody gets a set of vaccines [00:35:26,723]: And then you infect the monkeys in the BSL 3 facility with a high dose of COVID [00:35:33,703]: And then you see in their lungs and the tissue that there’s no virus after seven days [00:35:41,043]: Absolutely [00:35:42,463]: That was warp speed [00:35:44,043]: So I was one of eight of warp speed [00:35:48,523]: Then I get a call Patrick you de warped [00:35:53,423]: You I said test my vaccine anyway [00:35:57,923]: They did a vaccine test at the NIH and BARDA [00:36:01,523]: It cleared the virus as I predicted [00:36:04,403]: There was no virus in the lungs after a big infection [00:36:07,743]: So I said okay I’m de warped [00:36:12,623]: And this was a Francis Collins scheme and Anthony Fauci scheme and Monsie Slaoui scheme [00:36:21,823]: And one day we’ll talk about the conversation I had with Monsie Slaoui and what I’ve learned about Francis Collins in that event [00:36:31,203]: And they were going to go after this antibody vaccine which is this mRNA vaccine with spike [00:36:36,643]: And I said this is too important [00:36:38,423]: And I told my people we’re going to build our own vaccine with our own money [00:36:42,183]: I couldn’t get enough material other than to do one batch [00:36:46,483]: And we’re going to do a phase one trial [00:36:49,043]: And we’re going to inject as many people that we can do in the phase one trial [00:36:53,703]: I’m one of them [00:36:55,403]: I injected myself [00:36:58,283]: And your wife [00:36:59,423]: And we’re going to measure [00:37:01,483]: I won’t talk about I don’t want to talk about the family [00:37:04,103]: And we’re going to measure my own blood [00:37:08,383]: I drew my own blood and tested [00:37:12,003]: And I have T cells to nucleocapsid and to spike [00:37:18,023]: Which means if I were to get COVID touch wood the T cells now our memory T cells would clear the virus [00:37:26,903]: So we then tried begged begged [00:37:32,823]: Because not for funding even but for the plastic bags that were now restricted as you grow these things to Pfizer and Moderna [00:37:43,803]: All the materials that you need in a biological facility [00:37:48,423]: Got zero [00:37:50,623]: I’ve only got one batch [00:37:52,183]: So I’m going to South Africa [00:37:54,203]: And inject these in patients with HIV [00:37:56,723]: Because that’s the biggest test you could have [00:37:59,543]: You couldn’t generate T cells in the patients with HIV [00:38:02,383]: And do this phase two and phase three trial in South Africa [00:38:07,103]: So we did that [00:38:09,403]: And then I called Peter and I said Peter [00:38:12,023]: I’m sorry what were the results like [00:38:14,203]: T cells [00:38:17,303]: The people that interestingly enough it doesn’t say just so you know you have to differentiate [00:38:31,123]: Does it actually prevent the penetration of the virus versus the load of the virus versus the clearance of the virus [00:38:38,083]: These are three different things [00:38:42,883]: So we think it prevents the penetration but we don’t know because as soon as it does penetrate it would clear so you wouldn’t even know [00:38:51,823]: Or the T cell vaccine [00:38:53,803]: This is anecdotal [00:38:55,763]: But some of the people who got our T cell vaccine their family members got COVID [00:39:00,283]: They didn’t get it obviously the vaccine [00:39:02,363]: And they didn’t get COVID from a time while living with a family [00:39:08,223]: The issue of clearing the virus in transmission was the key [00:39:13,543]: So an antibody vaccine may reduce the viral load and therefore reduce death which is a good thing that President Trump did [00:39:22,703]: But the next generation of clearing the virus was what was needed [00:39:27,483]: And both should have been developed simultaneously [00:39:31,683]: It wasn’t [00:39:32,783]: And I’ll share with you to this day it’s a mystery to me why [00:39:40,483]: But the opportunity to clear the virus was actually known I think by Collins and by Fauci that it did not clear the virus [00:39:50,923]: The spike vaccines [00:39:53,003]: The spike vaccine [00:39:53,943]: The Pfizer Moderna [00:39:54,483]: The antibody vaccine does not and to this day does not clear the virus [00:40:00,383]: That seems like a big deal [00:40:02,263]: Well just what we talked about [00:40:04,383]: If you don’t clear the virus and you have pieces of the virus in there especially spike whether from the infection or from the vaccine and now you get another infection now the virus brings along this nucleic capsid [00:40:22,803]: Now it reconjoins and replicates again in these what they call privileged sites [00:40:30,103]: Two years later what we’ve seen now we’re back to persistence [00:40:36,283]: That’s now published just months ago [00:40:40,283]: And this is what I shared with NIH secretly four months ago [00:40:45,443]: And persistence asymptomatic persistence but with inflammation and reduction of p53 and immunosuppression are all the hallmarks and recipes for cancer [00:41:03,843]: And coming back to your first question is why are we seeing an increase in young people [00:41:09,223]: I think all of the above [00:41:11,403]: The toxins the history the red dye the PFAS the COVID all of the above [00:41:20,063]: Does both COVID and the COVID vaccine lower over time the human immune system [00:41:29,983]: The vaccine itself upregulates temporarily the antibodies [00:41:37,503]: But if the vaccine the spike protein breaks off and the RNA or DNA goes into the cells and from infection or the vaccine that’s where the controversy is right [00:41:54,163]: It could be both [00:41:56,443]: And the vaccine doesn’t clear the virus [00:41:59,763]: That’s the key [00:42:01,463]: It doesn’t clear the virus [00:42:04,023]: And that’s why we were told of course you take the virus and then you can’t get COVID or transmit it but neither one turned out to be true [00:42:14,043]: Demonstrably untrue [00:42:14,963]: Well it’s not only demonstrably untrue [00:42:17,023]: It was knowingly untrue [00:42:19,683]: That’s what’s bad about it [00:42:22,683]: It would seem like that’s criminal actually [00:42:25,503]: I mean if I tell you that you know this car gets 40 miles to the gallon and instead it blows up that’s a crime [00:42:33,803]: You can’t sell anything under false pretenses [00:42:36,743]: That’s a crime [00:42:37,603]: I don’t see how this is not a crime [00:42:39,643]: Well as you said over breakfast it’s not a conspiracy if it’s true [00:42:46,823]: I believe you’re writing a book with that title [00:42:49,343]: You probably have no idea where your meat comes from [00:42:51,783]: You probably should know [00:42:53,223]: The likelihood is that the meat you’re eating passed through a massive industrial processing plant probably owned by a foreign corporation [00:43:01,023]: Foreign meat [00:43:01,763]: Did you sign up for that [00:43:02,783]: We don’t think you did [00:43:04,383]: So you probably have no idea of knowing where the animal grew up what that animal ate or what chemicals big food pumped into that animal to increase profits [00:43:14,243]: That’s 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That’s merriweatherfarms com [00:44:03,423]: slash Tucker [00:44:04,143]: We eat it and vouch for it [00:44:06,963]: So and you know that they knew [00:44:09,103]: You’ve established for a fact that the developers of this and our public health authorities knew that the COVID vax would neither prevent infection nor transmission [00:44:21,623]: Yes [00:44:22,863]: And worse I think you know it’s not well known that during the first President Trump election he offered me a position [00:44:39,723]: And I turned it down because I said to him I really could help him from outside in better than and I had too much to do [00:44:46,363]: I really sure was working on this thank God working on this potential cure for cancer as well as clearing the virus with COVID [00:44:54,023]: This what I call the missing link which we can talk about this activator of the unnatural killer cells this bio shield [00:45:01,743]: And we have this bio shield now [00:45:04,643]: So it was the right decision for me not to go into the government during that time and to stay out [00:45:11,363]: This was 16 17 [00:45:13,263]: Correct [00:45:15,103]: But worse I’ve since discovered not by my inquiry but it’s been revealed to me emails about Francis Collins and some politicians work hard to prevent me from even joining becoming head of NIH [00:45:32,203]: And I think that was the motivation all the way downstream that we asked okay so what happened to this vaccine [00:45:39,343]: So I called the FDA and said okay I can’t do a randomized placebo control trial now because you got Pfizer’s Moderna vaccines all over the place [00:45:51,743]: So let me be the booster [00:45:55,943]: And Peter Marks to his credit was the one who said absolutely [00:46:00,923]: Peter Marks to his credit was the one who says I’m worried about this COVID vaccine and this long COVID [00:46:07,103]: I want to study the effects of this vaccine [00:46:10,403]: Peter Marks then said to me Patrick fine go ahead [00:46:13,603]: I injected the first three patients as a booster [00:46:16,783]: I get the call from the FDA to say you have to stop [00:46:22,043]: I said why [00:46:25,423]: To this day they never explained to me it wasn’t Peter [00:46:28,583]: It was people around Peter said you must stop [00:46:34,843]: So we stopped [00:46:36,203]: And there was nothing more we could do anyway because we didn’t have any of the resources the money the supplies to complete a phase three [00:46:43,343]: So the government has a monopoly on some of the materials that you need to do this kind of testing in a bio lab [00:46:47,803]: Is that correct [00:46:48,643]: Correct [00:46:48,843]: But now we’re into Biden era [00:46:50,583]: So now we’re in the Biden era that said I must stop [00:46:54,823]: This is 2020 now [00:46:57,883]: Oh no beyond [00:46:59,543]: It was yeah it was during the Biden era [00:47:05,583]: And I think there was this sadly I’m not a conspiracy theorist but now I’ve come to realize it truly was a deep state inside there that had the motivation beyond it’s hard to say it’s most devastating to say beyond public health [00:47:26,103]: And I just tweeted recently of how so few people could hurt so many [00:47:33,203]: And that’s why when I tweeted about finally we have the right person in HHS with Bobby Kennedy we’ll take this on [00:47:42,863]: And that we have doctors that will be like Marty McCarry I don’t know but I do know he’s a surgeon who can understand and touch and feel what it means to be there on behalf of the patient [00:47:59,543]: And my support for that [00:48:03,503]: I think we have a chance now to completely turn this around [00:48:07,843]: I think this last election was in part about that [00:48:10,763]: I think the national realization that COVID was there was something very dark there [00:48:15,903]: It wasn’t just a virus that happened upon us naturally that there was a lot of evil bound up in it [00:48:23,743]: But just to back up a second you said you have learned from watching COVID that a few people can hurt so many [00:48:29,723]: Who are those people [00:48:32,643]: I think the main culprit really sitting there was Collins [00:48:36,963]: Francis Collins [00:48:38,003]: Francis Collins [00:48:39,103]: And he controlled I mean I had shared with President Trump that Francis Collins should not be the NIH director [00:48:50,423]: He offered me a job [00:48:53,763]: Peter Thiel nominated me [00:48:57,083]: And I’ve since found emails of Francis Collins sending an email to a politician that alarm bells alarm bells Peter Thiel has nominated Patrick Soon Shiong [00:49:08,283]: We have to find a way to stop it [00:49:11,723]: Why [00:49:12,903]: To this day power greed political need [00:49:22,083]: He did the same thing with Craig Venter [00:49:23,903]: I remember during Clinton’s time with the Human Genome Project where Craig Venter invented the sequencing machine for tens of millions of dollars and he was spending billions of dollars doing nothing but wanted the credit [00:49:36,803]: I think what happens to you when you get into Washington the ego greed and power changes your mindset [00:49:51,483]: So I can’t give motivation to that [00:49:53,823]: All I can tell you is when I saw that email I was devastated that somebody would actually go to that extent and then send that same email to the CEO of Bio which is a real big pharma [00:50:07,763]: And that CEO of Bio said let’s go to Google search to find some dirt on him [00:50:14,043]: Dirt on you [00:50:15,183]: On me [00:50:16,923]: To stop me from being nominated to be head of NIH or whatever [00:50:22,343]: Let’s Google him to stop him [00:50:23,943]: Let’s Google to find some dirt some bad stuff negative research whatever they want to find [00:50:31,183]: They probably couldn’t find any dirt on me but that was the interchange between them [00:50:37,463]: On email [00:50:38,683]: But the funny thing is you made a product and by the way a clarification of terms [00:50:43,863]: My understanding was a vaccine was administered to a healthy person to prevent him from getting the disease [00:50:49,143]: You’re describing a product the one that you made that you can inject into an infected person and it cures the infection [00:50:56,723]: That sounds more like a conventional medicine than a vaccine [00:50:59,003]: It’s a therapeutic [00:51:01,043]: Correct [00:51:01,803]: So you know I use the word vaccine because that’s what they understood [00:51:05,963]: You know it’s dogma in terminology [00:51:10,823]: But you’re giving this to people who have COVID who have HIV [00:51:15,183]: Well I want to give it to people who don’t have COVID so they can actually if they do get COVID but I am now giving to patients with HIV [00:51:21,823]: I’m giving to people with HPV [00:51:23,923]: I’m giving it to people who are getting cancer and have cancer [00:51:29,103]: And more importantly there’s one in 280 Americans one in 280 Americans have this thing called Lynch syndrome [00:51:36,963]: What Lynch syndrome is is a genetic predisposition of an 80 increase of colon cancer ovarian cancer breast cancer [00:51:44,763]: It’s a genetic predisposition where your cells don’t repair themselves [00:51:51,443]: I lost a friend to this [00:51:53,263]: Yes [00:51:53,823]: We are in clinical trials for the BioShield for patients with Lynch syndrome [00:51:57,323]: We now have 100 patients enrolled already giving them this BioShield [00:52:01,863]: That’ll prevent cancer [00:52:03,203]: So it’s one of the first trials of prevention of cancer rigor and treatment of cancer [00:52:09,563]: Then this drug this BioShield I don’t want to call it a vaccine has just gotten approved in 2024 for bladder cancer [00:52:19,183]: We now have people who failed everything who would have their bladder removed [00:52:25,303]: Think about that [00:52:25,983]: Your bladder removed a 9 mortality just from the surgery alone where we’ve given them this BioShield [00:52:32,803]: That’s all they got is a subcutaneous injection into the bladder [00:52:39,823]: And they are now free of disease still complete remission 9 years out [00:52:46,803]: Alive today [00:52:47,943]: We can go talk to them [00:52:51,923]: We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer [00:52:54,503]: We just published [00:52:56,463]: Was free of disease 5 years out [00:52:59,543]: Senator Reid who came to see me after having failed all other treatment with his pancreatic cancer sprayed to his liver came to see me and he said to me Patrick I’m here but I checked with Francis Collins [00:53:12,303]: He said don’t go [00:53:15,583]: I said well Senator Reid it’s your choice [00:53:20,103]: He said I’m coming [00:53:21,743]: And we gave him the therapy [00:53:24,603]: And his CA19 went down to normal [00:53:27,143]: And he lived for 2 years free of disease [00:53:29,363]: He actually was very active [00:53:33,143]: We had a patient with Merkel cell carcinoma which is a terrible disease of failed everything [00:53:41,403]: He came into our clinic complete response [00:53:45,063]: 9 years out and he died of other causes [00:53:49,583]: The reason I met Robert Junior I’ve not known him for about 4 months is I called Bobby Shriver [00:54:02,943]: His cousin [00:54:04,003]: His cousin [00:54:04,623]: And the reason I knew Bobby Shriver because Bobby called me 7 years prior to that saying Patrick I’m on the city council of Santa Monica and the mayor of Santa Monica has this terrible tumor in his head and neck [00:54:16,483]: It’s ulcerating under his chin ulcerating through his jaw [00:54:19,683]: And you should lay and see the sign [00:54:21,143]: I said he’s got 2 weeks to live [00:54:22,823]: He’s got to go to hospice [00:54:23,983]: Can you see him [00:54:25,823]: I said absolutely Bobby [00:54:27,203]: I think he needs our natural killer cells [00:54:29,083]: He needs our bio shield [00:54:31,763]: So I brought him to our clinic which we have in Los Angeles in El Segundo [00:54:36,383]: The nurses broke into tears [00:54:38,103]: The nurses said Patrick what are you doing [00:54:40,970]: You see they said he has to go to hospice [00:54:43,830]: You should give this man [00:54:44,770]: I said no [00:54:45,630]: You don’t understand [00:54:46,590]: We can dynamically activate this and this is all as an outpatient [00:54:51,250]: We got him into complete remission [00:54:54,430]: Complete remission [00:54:56,050]: Is he still alive [00:54:56,690]: So it healed and this melted the tumor [00:55:02,070]: He went home because it was exposed a little bleed happened in the blood vessel [00:55:08,070]: His family took him to St [00:55:09,990]: John’s and then they called me frantically and says the doctor says do not resuscitate [00:55:14,870]: I said what [00:55:15,750]: Let me speak to that doctor [00:55:17,450]: He said well it’s bleeding and it’s got this thing [00:55:20,530]: I think it was in his late 70s early 80s [00:55:24,370]: I said please clip it [00:55:26,550]: It’s a complete response and we’re going to do a flap to cover that [00:55:31,350]: He did [00:55:32,450]: We did the flap [00:55:33,870]: He lived for two years was able to eat [00:55:39,930]: So when I called Bobby and I said Bobby you remember what we did [00:55:43,450]: He said absolutely Patrick [00:55:45,030]: A lot of people have asked me to introduce to Robert you know Robert and I don’t speak very much [00:55:50,830]: We’ve had an argument about his ideas and I said I understand but I’m going to give you a number to Robert to Bobby Kennedy [00:56:02,550]: And he’ll call you [00:56:04,930]: Bobby called me in 10 minutes and I said Bobby I’d like to introduce myself [00:56:09,710]: He said Patrick can I meet with you [00:56:11,890]: I said please [00:56:13,270]: And he came to meet with me at my home and we had this long conversation and I realized I’ve just I watched your your show with him [00:56:22,790]: Here’s what he is an authentic man with a sense of purpose conviction courage [00:56:31,350]: He says what he really believes [00:56:33,050]: Sometimes it may be wrong sometimes it may be right but he says what he believes [00:56:39,390]: And I really believed oh my God here’s somebody who would have the courage to take on the world and ask the questions [00:56:48,090]: And I said I’m going to support you [00:56:50,450]: That’s what happened [00:56:51,390]: That’s how I got to know him [00:56:54,490]: He was dismissed by no not just dismissed attacked and vilified by a lot of people in the medical establishment I would say everybody [00:57:05,270]: Why were you willing to listen to him [00:57:09,590]: Because what he’s saying is exactly what I was saying [00:57:14,010]: And I I’m sort of attacked by the same people because of the dogma that’s out there [00:57:19,310]: So let me give you this example [00:57:20,810]: I said Bobby and I shared with him the story about Hope Hicks [00:57:26,430]: I said that you you you probably just walked out to the office and I walked in in 2016 in 2017 [00:57:35,230]: I said listen you people think of you as saying you shouldn’t have a polio vaccine [00:57:41,330]: You that you’re an anti vaccinator [00:57:45,130]: What you really are saying you’re worried about the excipients inside the vaccine [00:57:50,210]: So about the what [00:57:51,390]: Okay [00:57:51,990]: So that’s a technical the materials that go in with the vaccine the mercury et cetera the mercury et cetera [00:58:00,210]: So I understand there’s a polio vaccine is one two three four polio vaccines that now being manufactured [00:58:07,490]: And now that all of a sudden there’s a new polio vaccine that’s manufactured in which we have cow’s serum calf serum inside that vaccine [00:58:16,190]: And I know and you know everybody knows in the UK knows you can get prion disease from this calf serum because you can measure that [00:58:27,350]: So that got approved in four days with just because of safety the way dogma is happening but there’s other polio vaccines [00:58:35,750]: So you can take the other polio vaccines but don’t take that one [00:58:39,330]: Just like I was telling you about maybe I was telling you what propofol story over breakfast [00:58:46,610]: And you should explain it that way that you want it just to be examined [00:58:52,930]: And he said exactly [00:58:54,250]: I said okay [00:58:56,970]: Not only did I get him he is asking the right questions [00:59:01,810]: And people are scared to ask these questions because there’s perverse incentives [00:59:06,750]: And that was what bothered me [00:59:08,530]: But in science shouldn’t any question be allowed [00:59:13,350]: Exactly [00:59:15,110]: So when I tweeted I said he knows more science than most doctors [00:59:21,230]: He’s much of a [00:59:22,490]: It’s a good thing you’re rich because you’d be out of a job tweeting stuff like that [00:59:28,210]: But it is right [00:59:30,390]: And that’s what’s a blessing [00:59:32,070]: I think you know I live the American dream and that’s why you said okay I made this money [00:59:35,670]: The money is for the purpose of me able to do this [00:59:39,090]: And I was very concerned about being too loud about it because if this deep state would hold up the approval and they did by the way they put us into complete responsibility [00:59:49,530]: I got a thousand requests for information [00:59:52,650]: My submission was close to 700 000 pages in order to get this thing through [01:00:00,730]: 700 000 [01:00:02,630]: It’s like the US tax code [01:00:04,350]: This drug has been in trials now for eight years 2015 [01:00:09,590]: How long was the Pfizer mRNA COVID vaccine in trials [01:00:12,870]: Months [01:00:13,470]: A month [01:00:14,110]: Not even [01:00:15,450]: So that’s why I’m trying to say you know when you I know which one I’m taking [01:00:20,150]: When you would talk about the user fees so we thought that the user fees was going to accelerate the approval where the FDA gets user fees from pharma [01:00:30,870]: It turns out that the big pharma user fees are so large it pays for the salary for all these reviewers [01:00:40,470]: So now the biotech companies the young biotech companies are throttled [01:00:46,510]: So the big pharma that does just this incremental little dots that just follow the revenue those checkpoints multi billion dollars Merck’s what 20 billion 30 billion on revenue Bristol Myers follows it AstraZeneca follows it Roche follows it [01:01:03,830]: There’s no [01:01:05,030]: They’re all the same but it’s all about incremental sameness and follow the dollar [01:01:11,450]: But the innovation is really at this young biotech companies that are throttled [01:01:16,750]: This is what needs to be changed by the FDA today [01:01:19,130]: They need a complete revamp where people with skill sets and the skill sets of the modern science not the old drugs have to be in place to understand what’s at stake here [01:01:35,050]: Time for another true life Alp story [01:01:36,850]: I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday honestly true story who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over Alp [01:01:43,710]: He wouldn’t stop [01:01:44,670]: And I thought to myself that’s kind of sad [01:01:45,970]: And he said no it’s not sad [01:01:48,350]: Imagine if I’d married her [01:01:51,130]: Now I know [01:01:52,370]: I was saved [01:01:53,710]: Then the next day this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city pulled over by a cop in a speed trap [01:02:00,010]: Cop takes his license registration goes back to the patrol car runs him comes back looks in the window and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard pauses stunned says to my friend you use Alp [01:02:10,490]: Yeah I do says my friend [01:02:11,930]: So do I says the cop [01:02:12,890]: We all do [01:02:13,630]: So he looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes drive safely sir and hands back his license and registration [01:02:18,270]: No ticket [01:02:20,250]: So in two days he’s saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn’t like Alp and a speeding ticket [01:02:25,930]: All true [01:02:26,810]: It’s more than a nicotine match [01:02:29,670]: In an age of 350 million people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories [01:02:34,310]: Email us yours [01:02:36,130]: We want to know [01:02:37,290]: And read it on the air [01:02:38,670]: Email tellall at alppouch com [01:02:43,470]: Give us your Alp story [01:02:50,630]: Well you have to take the conflicts out too [01:02:52,850]: I mean if a reviewer is paid by the company whose drugs he’s reviewing that’s like such an obvious conflict [01:02:58,990]: In no other world would that be acceptable [01:03:01,550]: Not only wouldn’t it be acceptable if then that reviewer has also the role to block an innovator [01:03:09,090]: It gets worse right [01:03:10,430]: To begin this just seems like crime to me [01:03:12,690]: Yeah [01:03:13,650]: I mean I don’t know [01:03:15,090]: If this were going on in another country outside the United States and I’m an American so I give the United States every benefit of every doubt [01:03:22,550]: It takes me forever to realize something’s corrupt because it’s America [01:03:25,290]: It’s not corrupt [01:03:26,190]: But if this were happening I would just name the country China South Africa [01:03:31,610]: You know I’d be like well that’s the most corrupt thing I’ve ever heard [01:03:34,170]: Well that’s exactly the fear I have now [01:03:36,710]: The Chinese don’t have this restriction [01:03:39,970]: And their innovation is now outstripping us [01:03:44,050]: Think about that [01:03:45,190]: I’ve always said America’s lead in health care and biomedical innovation is the best in the world [01:03:54,290]: And if we could use biomedical innovation as foreign policy for Africa and to Asia and to India to bring that to the rest of the world that’s how we lead [01:04:05,930]: I now read the papers and the Chinese science is now outstripping us [01:04:12,970]: Look what happened to AstraZeneca just last week [01:04:15,490]: They just spent two billion dollars investing in China now [01:04:18,970]: That’s a tragedy for us [01:04:20,890]: Not for manufacturing [01:04:22,590]: For innovation [01:04:24,270]: Oh so that’s not good [01:04:25,590]: Not good [01:04:26,590]: Because the idea was we offshore all the manufacturing but the ideas we generate here [01:04:31,150]: So AstraZeneca is an English company [01:04:32,910]: So what I’m saying is the fundamental problem I think lies at the FDA [01:04:40,650]: And even the NIH [01:04:42,970]: So the change that Bobby’s bringing in with Jay now being a head of NIH and Marty being a head of FDA and Bobby himself having the courage to stand up to talk both against the food industrial complex and the pharma complex [01:04:56,590]: Take on the Merck’s of the world and the Pfizer’s of the world [01:05:01,810]: I think we have maybe an opportunity of what I call a period of enlightenment [01:05:08,170]: And really I’m all about enlightenment [01:05:11,470]: And if you look at the Sanjay piece we are there now [01:05:14,450]: So I want to actually [01:05:15,450]: Can I stop and ask you a question though [01:05:17,010]: So your position is that cancer but not just cancer all kinds of illnesses are caused by weakened immune system and inflammation [01:05:28,050]: It’s all about the immune system [01:05:29,990]: Your body functions you live or you die by the immune system [01:05:34,750]: The senescent cells aging is the immune system [01:05:40,270]: The cells in your body that allow you to go to 100 years old 120 years old is based on the activity and the function of the immune system because the immune system what’s regulating your healthy cells [01:05:55,190]: Can we just go through I know this is not like patentable [01:05:58,430]: This is not your business but it’s [01:06:00,970]: What are some of the obvious things a person can do to strengthen his immune system [01:06:06,730]: So you ask what activates the natural killer cell [01:06:10,990]: It’s like you know when you look at the leaf and you talk about apoptosis and the leaf actually sits and goes brown and it changes but then it goes back up [01:06:22,150]: So all of human nature all of nature is filled with this biology of this balance [01:06:30,270]: So you have you’re a product of nature [01:06:33,430]: I mean literally you’re a product of when you were a tadpole and a fish as we came out [01:06:39,830]: So this cell has evolved since the Cambrian age [01:06:44,830]: Think about that [01:06:45,870]: This cell this natural killer cell in your body [01:06:48,850]: I published my first article in natural killer cell in 1990 [01:06:53,770]: This cell was only discovered in 1970s [01:06:56,810]: Think about that [01:06:58,790]: And we’ve ignored that cell [01:07:00,550]: This is what I call the missing link [01:07:03,390]: I’m going to announce that at the American Urology Conference in Las Vegas in the end of this month [01:07:11,610]: We have discovered I’ve not discovered the missing link we’ve discovered the awareness of this missing link and how to activate this missing link [01:07:20,150]: So the idea is to activate the natural killer cell [01:07:23,990]: It has 30 000 receptors on this cell [01:07:27,850]: What this natural killer cell does it replenishes itself with sleep [01:07:33,510]: So sleep is important [01:07:35,590]: It replenishes itself with light with sunlight [01:07:39,810]: And I believe there’s a certain wavelength the red wavelength in the sunlight that it actually requires for it to be stimulated [01:07:49,550]: This is why people get sicker in the winter [01:07:51,930]: Exactly that’s why Seattle has the highest suicide rate [01:07:56,690]: Think about that right [01:07:59,010]: If you look at the places like Norway and Sweden where there’s very little sun Finland [01:08:11,810]: So nature is all about light sunlight [01:08:16,510]: So that’s why I think this is [01:08:19,490]: I like obvious abstract [01:08:21,490]: Nature is all about sunlight of course [01:08:23,730]: Plants don’t grow without sunlight [01:08:25,310]: And at the end of the day we’re either about neutrons photons and electrons [01:08:31,430]: That’s what we are [01:08:32,670]: We as a human being is nothing else but a battery and an ingate [01:08:36,830]: When you think about that right [01:08:39,030]: So we have a bunch of electrons and neutrons and charges that are floating through us that actually interact [01:08:45,370]: And that’s how I think of the human body [01:08:47,190]: That’s why I said I think of it as an astrophysicist [01:08:49,670]: It’s crazy but that’s how my mind works [01:08:53,330]: So sleep getting sunlight [01:08:56,530]: And having food that doesn’t even suppress your biome [01:09:01,160]: The bacteria in your body sends out materials that actually will immunosuppress or activate [01:09:09,860]: What are the immunosuppressive foods [01:09:14,380]: Unfortunately I think most natural foods are fine [01:09:17,500]: It’s the toxins in the food [01:09:19,100]: Exactly what I said the excipients [01:09:21,100]: So when you talk about the red dye the processed foods all this unnatural processed stuff ultimately cause inflammation [01:09:30,440]: Now when it gets back to this plasticity of inflammation inflammation causes immunosuppression because it causes all these cells to flip from the killer state to the suppressor state [01:09:45,340]: That’s why we said we have this dichotomy of is the cat alive is the cat dead [01:09:50,860]: You see it too in the elderly [01:09:53,700]: It’s why an infection or a diabetic foot infection can lead to a systemic infection and kill the person [01:10:01,600]: That’s why you know when this guy discovered that H [01:10:05,900]: pylori causes gastric ulcer they said you’re nuts it’s acid [01:10:08,820]: I remember that so well so well [01:10:11,160]: So now when you think about that so that’s why I’m saying there’s dogma [01:10:13,800]: But that’s a consensus now right [01:10:15,940]: Acid does not cause ulcers [01:10:17,720]: Well it’s the cause and effect [01:10:19,060]: So H [01:10:19,660]: pylori causes the inflammation and then the acid that’s naturally in your stomach activates it [01:10:25,300]: Of course but it’s not the core cause [01:10:27,160]: Correct but it’s all about dogma [01:10:28,500]: That’s why I call this a vaccine but it’s a bio shield [01:10:33,200]: So you have to fight dogma [01:10:34,660]: Part of the problem is you’re fighting [01:10:37,040]: So I will ask you I wanted to ask us to do an experiment [01:10:42,720]: I’m all for it [01:10:44,520]: Where we pick up the phone call any random oncologist not to shame them primary care physician pick up the phone and said you do a CBC correct [01:10:56,020]: Yes [01:10:56,280]: Can you define what a CBC is [01:10:57,560]: A complete blood count [01:10:59,020]: Just so you take a blood and you look for [01:11:01,360]: Yeah the blood screen that everyone has [01:11:03,020]: Yeah [01:11:03,540]: For whether you’re anemic or not anemic [01:11:05,020]: Yeah yeah [01:11:05,260]: People understand that right [01:11:06,700]: Red blood cells [01:11:07,480]: And you see these red blood cells [01:11:09,740]: And you give chemotherapy and radiation and you ask what do you look for [01:11:16,140]: Well we look to see if you’re anemic [01:11:18,260]: So we can give you this drug that Amgen makes called Ipogen [01:11:22,240]: We look to see whether your platelets have gone down so we can give you a platelet transfusion [01:11:26,840]: We look to see whether your neutrophils have gone down so that you don’t get an infection called neutropenic fever [01:11:31,940]: So we give you this drug Neupogen [01:11:34,900]: Well the problem is does red blood cells cure cancer [01:11:38,500]: No Does platelets cure cancer [01:11:40,100]: No Does neutrophils kill cancer [01:11:43,020]: No [01:11:43,920]: What kills cancer [01:11:45,360]: The natural killer cells and T cells [01:11:47,140]: So in that CBC there’s a thing called the lymphocytes correct [01:11:50,500]: Do you look at that [01:11:51,580]: No [01:11:53,160]: The only cell that is important that kills cancer 99 9 of oncologists will say we don’t pay any attention to that [01:12:06,400]: That is surprising [01:12:08,160]: Does he mass backwards [01:12:11,760]: Why [01:12:13,260]: Not to attack oncologists but if you’re fighting cancer why do you ignore the one cell that fights cancer [01:12:20,460]: That’s the experiment I wanted us to do [01:12:25,640]: That’s a little mysterious [01:12:26,860]: Am I missing something [01:12:30,780]: Exactly [01:12:32,640]: That’s the missing link [01:12:34,680]: The final frontier [01:12:36,980]: The E equals MC squared [01:12:38,960]: The God’s equation [01:12:41,800]: That is the key element in your body that we’ve been missing for 50 years [01:12:47,660]: For 50 years [01:12:50,030]: But it’s even worse than that [01:12:56,560]: Those missing links we’ve actually destroyed with chemotherapy [01:13:01,880]: We’ve destroyed with radiotherapy and we’ve destroyed with checkpoint inhibitors [01:13:05,740]: We’ve destroyed with steroids [01:13:08,240]: Guess what we give to patients [01:13:10,240]: Chemotherapy radiotherapy steroids and checkpoints [01:13:13,890]: Am I missing something [01:13:16,730]: I don’t know anything about this [01:13:18,120]: I was a Russian studies major [01:13:22,540]: Just because I’m 55 I know a lot of cancer patients [01:13:25,980]: I have always been skeptical that the protocol is effective [01:13:29,560]: What I have noticed is those therapies seem to beat back the cancer short term [01:13:36,700]: But then so often you watch it come roaring back [01:13:40,020]: I’m in remission and then wham you just get hit by a tidal wave of cancer and eliminated [01:13:44,420]: So if you see my writings I have written so many times you win the battle and you lose the war [01:13:51,380]: So this is not I’m not imagining this [01:13:52,900]: You’re not imagining it [01:13:53,960]: You win the battle and you lose the war [01:13:56,060]: The reason you win the battle is because you see this little blip of a response with chemotherapy [01:14:02,420]: And then the moment you stop or not even you’ve actually now killed the cells that were there to protect you [01:14:08,740]: You’ve upregulated the suppressor cells and you get metastases and you say oops sorry you know you have to go to hospice [01:14:16,560]: Think about that [01:14:17,600]: That’s what we’ve been doing for 50 years [01:14:20,500]: That’s the dogma that I’m fighting [01:14:23,220]: Okay so let’s just say I leave here and I’m diagnosed with a serious life threatening form of cancer [01:14:30,740]: What would you recommend I do next [01:14:34,820]: So this is where you play chess and don’t play checkers [01:14:39,220]: This is where you play Go [01:14:41,620]: Where you say okay what is the cancer doing first [01:14:45,360]: Well guess what [01:14:46,200]: The cancer is not stupid so it’s figured out a way to hide from these killer cells [01:14:53,260]: So the first thing you have to do is you have to expose the receptors on the cancer so the killer cells could recognize that [01:15:01,580]: So even in the presence of chemotherapy you don’t use chemotherapy to kill the tumor [01:15:10,840]: You use a tiny dose of chemotherapy just to stress the patient the cancer [01:15:17,340]: And the cancer says oh my God something’s coming at me and it starts exposing itself [01:15:21,600]: So you go from hide to expose [01:15:24,720]: So you use the chemotherapy at a low dose called low metronomic dose to use it as what I call an immunomodulator [01:15:34,380]: Importantly… You’re describing cancer as almost like an autonomous entity that has a goal a will to destroy the human body [01:15:43,560]: It does [01:15:44,600]: But that’s I mean you’re describing like a… It’s a machine [01:15:48,400]: But with intent and kind of clever behavior it hides [01:15:53,940]: Like what [01:15:54,500]: You’re describing like some foreign entity in the body that’s trying to kill the body [01:15:58,740]: It is [01:15:59,720]: It’s like a virus [01:16:01,880]: But how can a tumor know to hide [01:16:04,780]: Because it has genomic sequencing in there that actually blocks the expression [01:16:09,740]: But it sounds diabolical [01:16:11,440]: It is diabolical [01:16:13,040]: That’s why I spent 50 years trying to understand [01:16:16,360]: It’s not a human brain [01:16:19,180]: It’s biology and how biology can mutate and actually your body is a beautiful thing [01:16:24,600]: It’s an exquisite thing [01:16:26,700]: So it has to have this thing called epigenetics [01:16:29,800]: So it has the genomic sequencing that says I’m not going to express this [01:16:34,140]: So we can now stress that and block the block [01:16:39,320]: And it now expresses something on its surface that our T cells can recognize [01:16:44,360]: So that’s the first step [01:16:45,980]: Smoke it out [01:16:46,660]: Smoke it out [01:16:48,120]: But your body has mechanisms to smoke it out [01:16:51,560]: It gets even more complicated [01:16:53,880]: Your body has a thing where you can induce what are called DAMPs which is damage associated molecular patterns but forget that [01:17:01,980]: It’s a way of actually smoking it out so now your T cells can recognize it [01:17:06,340]: Okay so now you’ve done step one [01:17:07,780]: That’s just step one [01:17:09,680]: That’s one molecule [01:17:11,200]: So this is why I think the FDA needs to understand [01:17:14,900]: We’re fighting a war where you need battlefield awareness all simultaneously [01:17:19,240]: Where you have to orchestrate your Marines your Army your Navy your Air Force all in the right place [01:17:25,420]: So that you can use the tumor in your body to act as a weapon as a vaccine [01:17:33,020]: Because a tumor has molecules that are foreign to the rest of your body [01:17:37,700]: And if you educate your T cells to recognize those molecules that are foreign to the rest of your body that T cell can remember [01:17:44,320]: Now you have a memory T cell [01:17:46,840]: So for the first time in 2024 in our package insert we have a molecule called the BioShield now [01:17:53,460]: I’ll call it the BioShield [01:17:54,820]: That can activate the natural killer cell activate the killer T cell and drive memory T cells [01:18:01,360]: We now have bladder cancer patients who would have lost their bladder in complete remission for nine years and still alive [01:18:09,640]: And so the protocol is you administer low dose chemo to identify where the tumor is [01:18:16,240]: You smoke it out [01:18:17,920]: But at the same time you need to have the natural killer cells and T cells ready [01:18:24,040]: So you give them the BioShield that up regulates and stimulates your natural killer cells and T cells [01:18:29,380]: What about radiation [01:18:30,160]: Does that play a role [01:18:31,540]: That’ll kill your natural killer cells and T cells [01:18:34,040]: So now unless and this comes out unless today the radiation is what they call 70 gigabits huge doses [01:18:44,120]: Unless you give a tiny little dose just to the tumor nowhere else to smoke it out [01:18:49,740]: So you use radiation in a very different way called SBRT a low dose to identify rather than destroy to expose rather than pose [01:18:59,660]: So the algorithm is expose from hide to expose [01:19:04,740]: The next algorithm is activate and proliferate your NK cells [01:19:08,860]: And that’s with the subcutaneous injection [01:19:10,780]: The next algorithm is to educate your T cells with a vaccine that you anticipate that it’s going to be exposed [01:19:18,520]: So you now have educated T cells ready [01:19:22,340]: So you’ve got educated T cells you’ve got NK cells [01:19:26,400]: And the next thing is to activate your macrophages so they become killer macrophages [01:19:32,880]: And the next step is to suppress the suppressors [01:19:36,520]: You do that all simultaneously [01:19:38,900]: How much human suffering is involved in this [01:19:40,940]: There’s a lot in a conventional course of cancer therapy [01:19:43,860]: All as an outpatient [01:19:45,680]: We’ve done hundreds of patients now [01:19:48,240]: So you’re not so someone taking this course is not going to is he going to lose his hair throw up all the time [01:19:54,000]: All as an outpatient [01:19:55,800]: No [01:19:58,100]: What’s even more exciting [01:19:59,800]: Because that matters for cancer patients [01:20:01,540]: I mean it’s hard to be a cancer patient [01:20:03,060]: It’s horrible [01:20:04,320]: Yeah but we’re now seeing patients now in complete remission [01:20:08,140]: More importantly I want to treat patients before they need surgery [01:20:12,680]: So I can use the tumor itself in the body as the vaccine to educate the body and the T cells all about that tumor [01:20:24,840]: What’s even more exciting now we can take blood from you one pint and extract the natural killer cell in the T cell and grow billions and store in cryopreservation just like you do I don’t know from cord blood [01:20:45,300]: We now have the ability to grow these natural killer cells and give it to anybody [01:20:51,460]: So I always said for the first time we could become the American Red Cross of cancer our country and use these innovations as foreign policy [01:21:04,560]: So could [01:21:05,840]: Looking back do you think it was unwise to require the population to get the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine [01:21:15,160]: It depends on the time [01:21:18,860]: I think it’s unwise to keep on giving this nonsense [01:21:22,120]: I shouldn’t say that I should be careful when I call it nonsense [01:21:26,480]: The idea of giving an antibody vaccine and then create another antibody vaccine and another antibody vaccine that chases your tail I don’t know what that’s doing those spike proteins [01:21:39,220]: It’s not ridding your body of COVID though [01:21:41,340]: It’s not [01:21:43,180]: Is it creating even more variants in your body [01:21:46,480]: I don’t know [01:21:47,780]: Is that possible [01:21:51,420]: I see the idea and I’m such a scientist I need to actually go and actually pull out these variants and sequencing them [01:21:59,380]: Is it theoretically possible [01:22:00,980]: It’s theoretically possible [01:22:02,960]: Could there be any change to a person’s DNA from taking this [01:22:06,480]: Well that’s what this does [01:22:09,099]: It’s what the mRNA vaccines do [01:22:11,159]: It converts into DNA and it converts into replicating and that’s what it does and it replicates an RNA virus and becomes the virus [01:22:19,019]: Well as someone who’s clearly you’ve made reference to it a couple of times interested in evolution to change the DNA of a species is to change the species over time [01:22:29,139]: No I don’t think it integrates [01:22:31,139]: My concern is that this virus is all about itself [01:22:36,619]: A very selfish virus [01:22:38,499]: Selfish virus [01:22:39,059]: In fact the fact that it’s now less deadly is in the virus’s interest [01:22:45,199]: The virus doesn’t want to kill you because you are the incubator [01:22:49,019]: Think about that [01:22:50,639]: The virus wants you alive [01:22:55,139]: You’re speaking in a way that suggests intent and forethought [01:22:59,299]: It’s biology [01:23:00,399]: It’s evolution [01:23:01,139]: Everything is evolution [01:23:02,279]: It was the intent to go from a tadpole to a human being [01:23:07,559]: I don’t know but to consider the possibility you have something or the certainty that you have something within your body that is acting against your body’s interest on purpose [01:23:16,099]: Yeah because it needs you to be the incubator [01:23:18,659]: So you know the veracity when it was so man made [01:23:28,539]: So you know viral evolution what we call affinity maturation it matures itself so that it can be more infective [01:23:38,519]: That’s one thing it tries to do as a virus [01:23:41,239]: I mean these viruses are living organisms [01:23:47,939]: When I say living I don’t mean brains or anything else but they have machinery that is very sophisticated [01:23:55,619]: They have what they call promoters and et cetera [01:23:57,839]: Why would you make something like that on purpose [01:24:00,099]: Well there are viruses in nature which theoretically will go through what you call maturation that normally do not infect you [01:24:11,359]: They’re species specific [01:24:14,419]: But why would you then change that [01:24:17,479]: And that’s what this gain of function study was so dangerous [01:24:21,639]: That’s why it was prohibited [01:24:22,679]: It’s so self evidently evil to even play with something like that with the potential consequences which we’re now seeing 13 year olds getting pancreatic cancer [01:24:33,719]: How could anyone do that [01:24:35,179]: And why aren’t those people imprisoned [01:24:37,099]: Well it was banned right [01:24:38,519]: It was banned in the United States [01:24:39,759]: Yeah [01:24:40,539]: Hence the Wuhan lab partnership [01:24:41,999]: Well so we subverted it [01:24:43,419]: Now you talk about you know why so few people could harm so many [01:24:49,919]: How they got around that is for the investigators to find out [01:24:53,739]: But I mean you’re someone who’s created cancer drugs spent a lot of his life in a lab [01:25:00,159]: That’s why you’re a billionaire [01:25:02,219]: So you know a lot about this topic obviously [01:25:05,199]: And it’s clear to you that that’s just too dangerous to be doing that right [01:25:09,179]: Yes [01:25:09,739]: To take animal viruses and make them [01:25:11,439]: You can’t control it [01:25:12,719]: I mean because you’ve done affinity maturation that would have taken tens of maybe millions of years [01:25:22,219]: In that fusion protein they created this fusion protein and then they created this I think Bonnie Graham was the part with Collins and everything else that was so proud to create this RBD and make it stable [01:25:36,479]: Think about it [01:25:37,699]: The spear hit the tip of the spear that goes into your cell [01:25:40,219]: We’re going to make it stable [01:25:42,659]: That’s how this vaccine was produced [01:25:45,159]: This was the mRNA vaccine was produced [01:25:49,219]: So you’ve taken a virus that has now gone from bats to man only because I think the skin function work [01:25:59,509]: You then create a vaccine by taking the spearhead of this virus that is now being created to get into you and make it the spearhead even more stable and put it on the vaccine and says here we go [01:26:11,679]: This seems super crazy [01:26:12,739]: So just from the perspective of a layman again if I’ve never had COVID and I get the mRNA you know if I get the Pfizer vaccine mRNA vaccine if I got it three years ago can you detect COVID in my body now [01:26:30,399]: Possibly [01:26:31,439]: See that’s like that’s just crazy [01:26:33,039]: Look I know of a I won’t name her but she was a very senior person at the FDA and she just got the vaccine [01:26:45,839]: That’s it [01:26:46,519]: And within weeks she got brain fog loss of memory [01:26:52,859]: So there’s clear evidence that sometimes the vaccine is the cause and sometimes the virus is the cause [01:27:01,159]: So that’s what I’m saying it’s not mutually exclusive [01:27:04,659]: I understand [01:27:05,579]: And it’s [01:27:06,259]: But it’s all about the spike [01:27:08,239]: But the idea that you would be introducing the COVID virus into a body that was not infected by the COVID virus is like [01:27:17,559]: You went after the wrong protein basically [01:27:20,879]: I mean I’ve been begging them to go after the nucleocapsid protein because the nucleocapsid protein which is in the core of the virus is not the tip of the spear [01:27:29,839]: And if you have a T cell it lasts for 17 years [01:27:33,079]: We know that from previous COVID infections but they refuse to do it [01:27:39,779]: This seems like a human tragedy at like an unimaginable scale [01:27:44,199]: It devastates me [01:27:48,419]: Well that’s incredibly bracing [01:27:50,719]: And I think you’re one of the very few people I’ve ever met who has the absolute authority to speak on this [01:27:56,569]: And yet you’ve not been encouraged to speak about it it sounds like [01:28:02,819]: I’ve not been what [01:28:04,179]: Encouraged to speak about it [01:28:06,459]: Yeah because I’m not a political person and I have this bigger picture that we have to find a solution not just for COVID but for cancer [01:28:17,519]: And the irony is that BioShield works for both [01:28:21,799]: And the only chance [01:28:22,779]: Because they’re connected it sounds like [01:28:24,019]: Completely connected [01:28:25,679]: And the only chance we have now because I had no idea that the political deep state was so powerful and so vicious and so egotistical that they would stop good science [01:28:46,519]: So now I’m out there speaking because the drug got approved [01:28:52,619]: But that’s not enough just for bladder cancer [01:28:55,339]: It has the same treatment effect for pancreatic cancer lung cancer triple negative breast cancer [01:29:01,019]: It is the only molecule for 50 years that upregulates these killer cells period the missing link [01:29:08,859]: Well you never got COVID [01:29:10,099]: So that’s [01:29:10,719]: You really never got COVID [01:29:11,639]: Never got COVID [01:29:12,719]: How many people do you know who didn’t get COVID [01:29:16,179]: The president of the United States got COVID like four times [01:29:18,259]: So if you did get COVID there’s three antigens in the virus [01:29:23,839]: There’s a spike there’s a nucleic acid and there’s a thing called the M protein M [01:29:31,319]: And if you have [01:29:32,579]: When you do your blood test you can see if you have the M protein [01:29:36,159]: If you have the M protein in your antibody or T cell or antibody to the M protein that means it came from the virus [01:29:46,499]: If you have no M protein it came from somewhere else [01:29:51,159]: It could come from the vaccine [01:29:53,219]: I have no M protein and I have T cells to N and I have T cells to S [01:30:00,619]: So you could basically lick a park bench and not get sick [01:30:04,339]: No it doesn’t [01:30:05,819]: Exactly [01:30:06,139]: So now you need to differentiate and not conflate the ability of the virus to infect [01:30:10,829]: It could still infect me but my body has the protection the bio shield to clear it immediately within seven days [01:30:20,559]: Clear it [01:30:21,299]: Is this a lifelong protection [01:30:23,099]: Well based on the science of what they call MERS 1 where it was in 17 years is protection [01:30:30,899]: That was the original coronavirus outbreak [01:30:32,739]: Correct [01:30:33,079]: 17 years this nucleic T cells is out there [01:30:37,039]: So [01:30:38,119]: I’ll take that [01:30:39,099]: I’ll take 17 years [01:30:39,599]: Exactly [01:30:41,099]: And you can get a booster [01:30:43,759]: Now what we’re working on is a universal COVID virus a vaccine for all coronaviruses because it’s N [01:30:49,699]: So what we did oh that’s a good segue to that [01:30:53,839]: So during my genomic sequencing I was building the whole machine learning supercomputing network and I ran the National Lambda Rail for the God’s Particle and I built supercomputers and AI way before AI was and I presented the AI model to President Obama believe it or not in the one pager for healthcare [01:31:11,079]: So our supercomputer we combined ourselves with Microsoft so that we had the largest GPU cloud during COVID [01:31:18,459]: And we’re able then to actually look at the infectivity of every species every variant of COVID with every human type there’s a thing called HLA so that we could actually look at how the virus would change and avoid the T cells [01:31:35,419]: The only thing that it could never do was change the nuclear capsid and never could avoid the T cells [01:31:41,439]: We made that software public it is still public and published it so that anybody could test based on your HLA your HLA and my HLA type would be slightly different [01:31:53,139]: There’s hundreds and thousands of HLA types and know whether this sequence if you had that sequence in your body would be protective [01:32:06,039]: Through that we are developing what we call a universal COVID vaccine BioShield T cell vaccine and we have it [01:32:15,479]: But how do you do it [01:32:17,439]: So one of my thoughts was just to give it away to somebody [01:32:22,359]: I actually offered to give it away to Regeneron and to Amgen way back but they were too busy [01:32:29,159]: Everybody was too busy during the COVID time [01:32:32,199]: So one of the ideas now was for me to actually go to the Serum Institute in India and say here please go build this and make this available to the world [01:32:43,539]: So just so much we could do as an organization we’re a tiny little biotech company relative to the Merck and the Pfizer’s [01:32:52,259]: But that’s what my goal is [01:32:53,699]: My personal goal is when you say I’m still doing it I don’t have a vineyard the resources that was given to me as a God’s gift I believe that allowed me to do this [01:33:06,579]: So we have hundreds of employees 40 acres of land in Los Angeles [01:33:12,039]: The other tragedy was I took over this facility in Dunkirk that New York State had put 200 million in completely empty brand new amazing facility for national preparedness [01:33:25,559]: And I called Chuck Schumer to help me make that available for the country nothing [01:33:33,559]: It’s still sitting there available for the country as a national preparedness manufacturing site in Dunkirk New York for which we put 50 million in but there’s no employees in there right now nothing [01:33:48,199]: It is really ridiculous right [01:33:50,459]: Without leadership without skill sets in leadership and without informed leadership how we as a country could go down the wrong path [01:34:00,579]: And I’m so hopeful that these next four years could change that [01:34:05,279]: So this has been an amazing story [01:34:06,979]: You’re obviously very famous in the medical research world and controversial but I’m sold on what you said [01:34:16,619]: So everything that you’ve done is you’ll have a great obit because of it [01:34:22,759]: Then you decided to buy the LA Times in 2018 ish [01:34:27,979]: And owning the main newspaper in the country’s second biggest town makes you obviously a media mogul but it makes you a political figure as well [01:34:37,179]: And LA is so complicated [01:34:38,399]: Like why would you do that [01:34:39,419]: Why would you [01:34:39,959]: You don’t need that [01:34:40,699]: Why would you do that [01:34:42,519]: Well I think it really helps to know how I grew up right [01:34:45,899]: So I grew up in South Africa as apartheid [01:34:49,739]: Because South Africa didn’t have I did not see a TV until the age of 21 believe it or not [01:34:55,319]: No TV [01:34:55,719]: No TV [01:34:56,259]: South Africa didn’t have TV [01:34:57,899]: So not that I didn’t watch TV [01:34:59,379]: Period [01:34:59,899]: So it was just books and newspapers [01:35:02,579]: That was the only way I got educated books and newspapers [01:35:06,339]: To the extent that I would go every day as a newspaper boy to the printing press in Port of the press read it and then run with about two 300 papers throughout the city [01:35:20,439]: That would be what I did and grew up [01:35:23,479]: So I fell in love with the printing press the clicky clack and the oil and the smell [01:35:29,419]: And when the opportunity came remember as I said I had this amazing gift of the resources of selling these two companies that I never anticipated in life [01:35:42,839]: With Michael Ferro saying he took over this company called named it Tronk and he was going to shut down the Washington Bureau and move all the [01:35:54,179]: So he owned the LA Times [01:35:55,319]: He owned the Tribune actually the whole thing yeah at that point yeah [01:35:59,199]: Chicago Tribune the Tribune Company [01:36:00,979]: The whole Tribune Company which included LA Times and San Diego Tribune [01:36:04,919]: And he knew how desperately I wanted the LA Times because I had helped him invest to buy the rest of the Tribune [01:36:13,339]: So I was a minority shield in that [01:36:15,639]: And he came to me and said hey Patrick you want it [01:36:18,619]: Here’s the price [01:36:19,759]: You’ve got 48 hours to decide and it’s 500 million no due diligence [01:36:25,659]: No due diligence [01:36:26,419]: That’s what it said [01:36:28,779]: And I [01:36:29,379]: Who would take that deal [01:36:30,439]: Only crazy people [01:36:33,719]: It’s half a billion dollars and you can’t see the books [01:36:37,199]: Yeah [01:36:37,719]: Nor can you go visit the newsroom [01:36:42,519]: Because on Monday we’re going to actually shut all that and move them all out [01:36:46,159]: And I don’t want you to talk to these people [01:36:48,319]: And you have until Monday to decide [01:36:50,759]: And I was running a conference in LA with all my scientists and the National Cancer Institute and all the scientists were there at this hotel [01:36:58,539]: And I said oh my God [01:36:59,339]: So I went upstairs and we got a private room and I brought all the people into the room [01:37:06,199]: And I said I want to do it [01:37:07,699]: And I called my wife [01:37:08,539]: I said we want to do this [01:37:09,599]: I think this is an opportunity for us to have a voice for the people especially if they’re going to shut down Washington they’re going to shut down LA we’ll never have a paper here [01:37:18,939]: This is one of the most important things [01:37:22,019]: So by Monday I signed it and that was it [01:37:25,659]: And then [01:37:26,059]: And you paid them 500 million [01:37:27,219]: 500 million [01:37:28,499]: How grateful was he [01:37:32,879]: Sorry [01:37:33,479]: I’m sorry to laugh [01:37:34,819]: If you hadn’t made so much money I wouldn’t be laughing because it would be mean [01:37:37,839]: But that’s incredible [01:37:39,999]: So Phil Anschutz saw me [01:37:41,159]: I’ve got some stuff I’d like to sell you [01:37:45,699]: So Phil Anschutz saw me at the next Laker game [01:37:48,719]: He says you know Patrick I always thought you’re such a smart guy until yesterday [01:37:54,519]: But you know I have no regrets [01:37:55,859]: I think what I did then was said okay I’m going to take everything I know in healthcare that rocket ship that I showed you and then create [01:38:06,719]: Because during that time Bezos would have this ARC he’d had the software and he had the Washington Post [01:38:11,439]: And his team came to see me and said listen we’ve got this ARC software that we want you to run [01:38:18,539]: I said no I don’t like this old software [01:38:21,039]: I’m going to go build a completely new software content management system that could take podcasts video live streaming because I want this newspaper to be an educational moment for people [01:38:33,379]: And at the end of the day a newspaper is not just a newspaper it’s a basis of engagement [01:38:38,559]: I want to engage users as a tool to engage with people because that’s how I grew up [01:38:46,259]: So we took the risk and we built this content management system took us five years and we launched it which could talk to the printing press and it could talk to magazines it could talk to podcasts it could talk to video it could talk to live streaming [01:38:59,419]: And now it’s just gone live [01:39:01,239]: It’s called LA Times Studio and LA Times Live [01:39:04,059]: And the next thing we’re going to do is called LA Times Next [01:39:07,139]: And the LA Times Next a gentleman called Eric Beach and I are forming so that we could create a platform that would allow voices to be heard and free speech to be heard unencumbered by either opinion or news [01:39:26,099]: So now we have three platforms [01:39:27,579]: We have a platform of news which supposedly is facts [01:39:31,299]: We have a platform of opinion which are now changed to voices meaning everybody should have a voice whether you’re right voice left voice central voice do you like Coca Cola Pepsi Cola whatever voice [01:39:43,339]: And then a complete platform that allows free speech and video podcast [01:39:53,879]: And now I have that platform and we’ve built the infrastructure to accommodate that platform [01:40:00,299]: And I’m excited by LA Times Next because we’re going to have a studio in DC we have a studio in LA we may have a studio in Nashville [01:40:10,319]: And shows like this are important because I believe long forms like this is how you communicate for people who are interested [01:40:20,039]: And it could be fun [01:40:21,499]: It should be engaging [01:40:22,799]: It should be interesting [01:40:24,319]: And that’s why I bought the paper [01:40:26,819]: Well those are great reasons as far as I’m concerned but they come with them [01:40:31,839]: The purchase comes with it a lot of people who work at the paper [01:40:37,419]: I’ve worked in newsrooms my whole life and I know that they hate change [01:40:42,059]: They hate the owner no matter what [01:40:44,039]: Everybody hates the owner just on principle [01:40:46,399]: There are a ton of unhappy people in journalism [01:40:48,919]: I would say the overwhelming majority just for whatever reason we could speculate [01:40:52,719]: And they’re very hard to manage [01:40:54,939]: And they’re roughly about 100 or maybe even more percent left wing everywhere including at supposedly conservative places they’re all lefties [01:41:06,039]: So how do you deal with that [01:41:08,859]: By being honest and transparent head on [01:41:11,339]: And I openly shared with them [01:41:13,459]: I said listen we cannot be echo chamber [01:41:15,379]: I won’t tolerate it [01:41:16,939]: It’s okay if you’re left wing but you need right wing [01:41:19,859]: So I offered Scott Jennings an opportunity to write on the paper [01:41:25,919]: And I said we need all voices [01:41:29,199]: And so I said listen I don’t know who made these rules because I came into this newspaper [01:41:34,899]: I don’t know the difference between a columnist and op ed or editorial page and news [01:41:40,999]: And now when you’re merging all of these can you imagine the layperson not really understanding the difference [01:41:46,859]: That’s right [01:41:47,519]: And I want you to say news is news and you’re the newsroom fine [01:41:53,039]: Theoretically everything’s edited [01:41:55,299]: You’ve fact checked it [01:41:56,759]: But when it comes to an opinion I want to change that to be voices [01:42:02,139]: And I want all voices to be heard all American voices to be heard [01:42:07,959]: And the Kamala Harris endorsement I took a lot of heat because the editorial board resigned by my taking a stand that we cannot be an echo chamber of opinions not based on So just for those who didn’t follow it and it was quite a story for a couple of days there it was during the campaign [01:42:28,239]: The editorial board correct me if I’m wrong wanted to endorse Kamala Harris [01:42:33,719]: And you said no [01:42:34,739]: What did they say to you [01:42:36,799]: And what did you say back to them [01:42:39,799]: Well I can’t put in [01:42:43,379]: Oh come on [01:42:44,559]: You’ve gone pretty far already [01:42:46,979]: I can just say that we’re not happy [01:42:49,879]: But what was their pitch [01:42:51,239]: So the pitch was we as a board have met and we have this pre package [01:42:57,019]: We know this is outrageous blah blah blah [01:43:00,159]: This pre package [01:43:01,019]: What does that mean [01:43:01,619]: We had a pre package endorsement [01:43:03,499]: What do you mean pre package [01:43:04,519]: They’d already written it [01:43:04,999]: Already written it [01:43:06,079]: After talking to Kamala Harris [01:43:07,619]: Never having met her [01:43:08,939]: They never met Kamala Harris [01:43:09,919]: Never met her [01:43:10,639]: Isn’t the editorial board supposed to interview the candidates [01:43:13,039]: By the way the editorial board never met even [01:43:15,239]: I’m on the editorial board [01:43:17,959]: So I said I’m on the editorial board [01:43:19,539]: Kamala Harris was in L A all the time [01:43:22,099]: Correct [01:43:23,679]: So [01:43:24,179]: In your neighborhood actually [01:43:25,419]: Correct [01:43:25,839]: Raising money [01:43:26,399]: Raising money keeping the traffic in trouble raising money [01:43:30,859]: And that’s [01:43:31,859]: And I’d never met her [01:43:33,519]: And nor did the board ever met her [01:43:36,179]: And I said this is unacceptable [01:43:38,139]: And they know as you could see because it’s a left leaning [01:43:41,439]: They wrote terrible stories about President Trump which is [01:43:46,119]: Had they met him [01:43:47,139]: Not met him either [01:43:48,759]: So my statement to them was listen you may have an opinion but all of us should have opinion based on facts [01:43:55,799]: I mean one of the statements that came and I won’t name him came from a person that said within this concept that Vice President Kamala Harris was the most consequential vice president in the history of the United States [01:44:11,759]: So I said [01:44:12,499]: No I shouldn’t lie [01:44:13,219]: I don’t mean to be dismissive [01:44:15,039]: On what basis did the person say that [01:44:17,559]: Having never met her so now exactly you just hit it on the head [01:44:22,019]: And I said on what basis do we say that [01:44:24,719]: What are the facts [01:44:26,259]: Can we actually show the record of that [01:44:29,739]: So I said it boiled down to look we’re not going to do that [01:44:33,019]: We’re just not going to do it [01:44:34,299]: What did the person say when you asked [01:44:37,439]: Why are you saying she’s the most consequential vice president of the United States [01:44:40,719]: What are the facts that underlie that judgment [01:44:45,939]: I obviously had disagreed with that person and they had no basis for that other than as you said a personal echo chamber here [01:44:54,619]: And look I don’t know what they’re trying to protect [01:44:59,539]: They’re trying to protect [01:45:02,179]: If I’m trying to find the kernel of basis the audience because the audience is left so they need to be left [01:45:09,719]: I don’t think that’s right [01:45:10,839]: I think meaning our audience we lost a lot of viewers right [01:45:14,679]: I mean thousands of people unsubscribed [01:45:18,799]: But I don’t think it’s right that we should be this canceling society [01:45:23,879]: I think we should be a society that can have a civil discourse like we’re having now and disagree it’s okay and understand each other’s point of view [01:45:32,099]: That’s what I think is the value of the paper when you talk about voices [01:45:35,819]: So that’s what I’m instigating now [01:45:38,479]: And so I’ve taken the opportunity [01:45:40,839]: Let’s go back to the Kamala thing really quick [01:45:43,139]: Were they [01:45:43,839]: They were shocked that you canceled that [01:45:46,279]: They were worse than shocked [01:45:47,159]: They resigned [01:45:48,319]: They resigned [01:45:48,819]: So I had three [01:45:49,859]: Right now 90 of my editorial board has resigned [01:45:53,839]: So where did they go [01:45:55,359]: Because there are no editorial writing jobs left [01:45:57,479]: I have no idea [01:46:00,939]: So look I think it’s important [01:46:04,879]: Look the fact that I had the courage to resign some of them [01:46:09,739]: No Kevin Murata I fired [01:46:11,259]: I fired Kevin before they resigned [01:46:14,339]: Why did you fire him [01:46:17,699]: One because of leadership [01:46:19,559]: Two because of [01:46:23,119]: I got to be careful [01:46:24,339]: I don’t want to disparage him [01:46:25,499]: I fired him because I didn’t believe he was the right person or of taking the paper where it needs to be [01:46:32,999]: He was formulating the Washington Post [01:46:34,579]: Washington Post yeah [01:46:35,479]: I remember that well [01:46:36,639]: And then after that episode their editorial board the rest of them resigned [01:46:45,399]: And now we’re rebuilding [01:46:46,639]: Look we have to [01:46:48,859]: And what’s exciting to me is I’m rebuilding with young people [01:46:52,639]: And what’s exciting to me is this opportunity with LA Times Next and LA Times Studio and then the newsroom [01:46:59,519]: Terry Tang is doing a fantastic job [01:47:01,779]: She’s working hard to take on the people and the productivity [01:47:08,379]: The productivity [01:47:09,499]: Well increasing productivity [01:47:11,699]: Oh you’re employing journalists [01:47:15,259]: Okay so that’s the world I understand [01:47:17,359]: Yes there are some productivity issues there [01:47:19,419]: Yeah yeah yeah yeah [01:47:20,939]: When you write one slug a month I think that’s not going to be good [01:47:24,419]: Been there been there [01:47:27,739]: So it’s been an experience [01:47:30,499]: But look we’re there in for the long haul I think [01:47:34,939]: And look it’s just not us by the way [01:47:37,099]: We got to save these local newspapers [01:47:39,079]: I agree [01:47:39,499]: Right [01:47:39,839]: We got to save the ability to have local discos [01:47:42,639]: Now with the LA Fires it’s even more important right [01:47:45,739]: Look I called out Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom [01:47:49,659]: And these politicians you know them both [01:47:51,939]: I know them both [01:47:52,919]: I text with them both [01:47:53,899]: And I complain to them both [01:47:56,159]: And what I tell the public is what I tell them [01:47:58,599]: So I don’t say anything behind their back [01:48:01,339]: I personally say I said you’re not doing the right thing [01:48:05,179]: Whether it be the homelessness [01:48:06,579]: The homelessness they did a terrible job [01:48:08,819]: Yes [01:48:09,139]: A completely wasteful job [01:48:11,599]: So these are the kinds of things that I think it gave us the opportunity to have a say in our community [01:48:19,559]: You know and that’s what I’ll continue to do [01:48:21,979]: Now we’ll position ourself in D C And I think the next four years will be really I hope monumental [01:48:29,879]: Doctor thank you for spending all this time [01:48:31,859]: All right [01:48:32,279]: No this has been fun and a pleasure [01:48:34,519]: Thank you 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